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Re: High rates of incarceration hit black America hard
2003-06-23 08:10:40
On 22 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote:
>Peter H. Proctor >> BTW, this explains why I get such funny >> looks when I use my Texas concealed carry permit as ID in Manhattan. >. And I'm sure you not carying your >weapon in Manhattan??? So you're just using your permitas ID?? ID >for???? Great story showng how brainwashed New Yorkers are about firearms: Couple years ago, before 9/11, my pretty little trophy wife and I were flying out of La Guardia. She gets asked to present a second ID at the gate and pulls out her Texas concealed carry permit. To understand the full impact, the wife is small, pretty, and femine and doesn't look the sort to carry a nasty old GUN. The clerk looked at the permit and suddenly realized what it was. The clerk got very flustered and looked as though she wanted to dive under the counter. She then called her supervisor. Who asked in a rather high pitched tone, "Your not carrying a gun now, are you ? At which point we explained that this was highly illegal. Meanwhile, I'm halfway between rolling on the floor laughing at these rubes and worry that we might miss our plane. We did catch it, The counter crew seemed relieved to let us go aboard Vegas and similar civilized places and nobody even bats an eye. Dr P .
2003-06-23 09:10:10
Peter H. Proctor
> On 22 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote: > > >Peter H. Proctor > >> On 19 Jun 2003 11:44:40 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> >Peter H. Proctor > > BTW, this explains why I get such funny > >>looks when I use my Texas concealed carry permit as ID in Manhattan. > > >. And I'm sure you not carying your > >weapon in Manhattan??? So you're just using your permitas ID?? ID > >for???? > Cashing travelors checks, getting on airplanes, the usual. > Evidently, in NYC you have to be pretty well connected to get a > concealed carry permit No you just have to meet the criteria As I have already explained. > >Good than I'm sure you are aware that households with guns are 43 > >times more likely to shoot their own families than to shoot an > >intruder? > > The particular study you describe was discredited years ago. And > didn't even say what you seem to think it did. Says the gun Lobbyist, the NRA, the NFA etc. The latest brady briefs say different, and the NSW Coalition for gun control says different, the figures may vary now form say 1998 but that doesn't discredit the study. The FBI's UCR which gathers this information listed only 154 "Justifable" homicides in 1999. I can also go on posting about the the 3 and 4 year olds who were killed with legal guns in 2002. Or the lawsuits brought about on Smith & Wesson, Beretta U.S.A. and now the current one by the victims of the shootings in the D.C.area. As I said I could care less one way or the other about guns and gun laws, I really have no opinion. Mine is on keeping drugs illegal. > >That the homicide rates with guns are much lower in the UK > >where guns are harder to obtain? > > The Brits have always had an extraordinarily low murder rate, > even when all it took to carry concealed was a 10 shilling fee paid at > the post office. Ever read Sherlock Holmes ? > > This goes way back. Graunt's pioneering statistical work > from the 1630's notes that there were only 7 "murthers" in London in > 1632, contrasting this with Paris, where there was a murder about > every night. He even assigns this to cultural differences, > crediting the Brits "natural and customary aborrence of that inhumane > crime and all bloodshed by most Englishmen" ( Quoted in "Against the > Gods, the Remarkable Story of Risk", p 80 ). There is nothing new > in criminology. But the point is the Brits still have less of a stockpile of guns, and how about Austrailia where the stockpile increases, the homicide rate increases 4 times and even moreso in the U.S. where we have an estimated 193 million guns some say as high as 250 million (one for every person in the US) it increaes 11 times. And Law enforcement is keepng those statistics down but it hardly has anything to do with gun ownership. > > Unless of curse you're gonna > >disagree with all the neuropsycholigist out there. Are you trained in > >neuropsychology also? Are you qualified as a Neuropsychologist Doc? > > One of my degrees is in psychopharmacology. I have published papers > on "A Model of Psychological Functioning", "Electron-transfer factors > in Psychosis and dyskinesia" , etc. I know this stuff. Oh so than you know the long term effects of cocaine or those who go on cocaine binges. Irritabilty, Mood disturbances, restlessnes, Paranoia. Or are you disputing every expert out there and saying cocaine psychosis doesn't exist? I'm glad you know this stuff because than you are aware of the consequence it has on people??? Including others. > >You're one doctor in one state. I've seen peoples hearts go on the > >street from hearts exploding or enlarging (Hypertrophy) long before > >they even came to you or a hospital. > > People do die from crack. I've seen 'em. Just like they > die from alcohol or tobacco, though a lot less. If this doesn't > scare people off, how is some silly law going to work ? The law isn't to get them to stop from having heart attacks (although there is the expense of health costs)it's to get them to stop ripping people off and ripping off the family bank accounts to support their habits. And contray to opinion reducing the costs won't stop the addiction, as cocaine is not that expensive as people beleive, if anything it will increase addiction and addiction rates and lower job productivity etc. Someone isn't coming to work when they need to have their next hit of cocaine. Same goes for alcoholism, why do you think many alcoholics loose their jobs?? > > Just remember > >it's probably likely you're gonna shoot some addict robbing you or > >your house for drugs and/or drug money if t ever comes to it TEX. See > >how you feel about the WOD's than, because than you'll be a part of > >it. > > If the guy robbing my house could feed his habit cheaply, he > wouln't have to steal, at least not as much. One major reason I > advocate decriminalization is to control crime and restore social > order.. The violent crime rate plummeted after the repeal of > prohibiton. And it raised with the introduction of crack in the 80's and when the crackheads couldn't afford it the dealers lowered the price from $5 a vial to $3 a vial, making it very cheap. But yet the robberies and burglaries and homicides were still up during the crack epidemic, and it was , I'll say this again DOC, down to $3 a vial, that's cheaper than $5.75 pack of cigarettes, or a bottle of vodka, yet I don't see many people robbing for cigarettes which are more expensive than a vial of crack..and nickel bags of MJ are $5 a bag. Apparently you don't know or aren't ware of the true street value of this stuff. And your statement said he wouldn't have to steal as much is nonconclusive for a scientist since we would produce more addicts who steal Doc. People need to get that high from coke , ecstacy, meth and other drugs. Sorry legalization won't reduce crime. And you'd still be shooting the doper robbing your house tex :-) Nice try tough > Dr P CPK
2003-06-23 14:52:51
news:6f261d02.0306230810.47f0c3ad@posting.google.com... > Peter H. Proctor > > On 22 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote: > > > > >Peter H. Proctor > > >> On 19 Jun 2003 11:44:40 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >> >Peter H. Proctor > > > > BTW, this explains why I get such funny > > >>looks when I use my Texas concealed carry permit as ID in Manhattan. > > > > >. And I'm sure you not carying your > > >weapon in Manhattan??? So you're just using your permitas ID?? ID > > >for???? > > > Cashing travelors checks, getting on airplanes, the usual. > > Evidently, in NYC you have to be pretty well connected to get a > > concealed carry permit > > No you just have to meet the criteria As I have already explained. Wrong. You need political pull, donate a lot of money or be a famous person to be able to have a good chance to get one. Poor people need not apply. > > >Good than I'm sure you are aware that households with guns are 43 > > >times more likely to shoot their own families than to shoot an > > >intruder? > > > > The particular study you describe was discredited years ago. And > > didn't even say what you seem to think it did. > > Says the gun Lobbyist, the NRA, the NFA etc. The latest brady briefs No, The person who says it does not show that is the author of the study. He admitted that it did not show what you just claimed and he originally claimed. > say different, and the NSW Coalition for gun control says different, > the figures may vary now form say 1998 but that doesn't discredit the > study. The FBI's UCR which gathers this information listed only 154 > "Justifable" homicides in 1999. I can also go on posting about the the > 3 and 4 year olds who were killed with legal guns in 2002. Or the > lawsuits brought about on Smith & Wesson, Beretta U.S.A. and now the > current one by the victims of the shootings in the D.C.area. As I said > I could care less one way or the other about guns and gun laws, I > really have no opinion. Mine is on keeping drugs illegal. >
2003-06-23 12:47:14
Peter H. Proctor
> On 22 Jun 2003 14:16:51 -0700, cpk197@aol.com wrote: > > >Peter H. Proctor > > >> BTW, this explains why I get such funny > >> looks when I use my Texas concealed carry permit as ID in Manhattan. > > >. And I'm sure you not carying your > >weapon in Manhattan??? So you're just using your permitas ID?? ID > >for???? > . > Great story showng how brainwashed New Yorkers are about > firearms: Couple years ago, before 9/11, my pretty little trophy > wife and I were flying out of La Guardia. > > She gets asked to present a second ID at the gate and pulls > out her Texas concealed carry permit. To understand the full > impact, the wife is small, pretty, and femine and doesn't look the > sort to carry a nasty old GUN. The clerk looked at the permit and > suddenly realized what it was. The clerk got very flustered and > looked as though she wanted to dive under the counter. > > She then called her supervisor. Who asked in a rather > high pitched tone, "Your not carrying a gun now, are you ? At > which point we explained that this was highly illegal. > > Meanwhile, I'm halfway between rolling on the floor > laughing at these rubes and worry that we might miss our plane. We > did catch it, The counter crew seemed relieved to let us go > aboard > Vegas and similar civilized places and nobody even bats an eye. Thanks for pointing out that it's fer to board a plane in NYC than it is elsewhere in the U.S. > Dr P CPK .
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