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Re: What it is llike to be a drug cop
2003-06-27 00:22:31
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:02:51 GMT, "flick"
>"Peter H. Proctor" >so tell me, Doc, those junkies on the street - are they trying to get high? >or are they all dying of cancer and buying some smack for their pain? huh? Actually, they are primarily trying to keep out of withdrawl... Which is one reason they get so conditioned to the drug. And also why maintenance works reasonably well. >> Just like with alcohol prohibition. These days, alcohol retailers >> settle their disputes in court. > >but drunks don't - they settle their disputes on the street. just like >crackheads. Sure. If someone is belligerently intoxicated in public, you bust thier asses and throw them in jail. But alcohol consumption per se is not illegal. >> What if the cost were just a couple of $$$ ? Even if someone had to >> steal to score, it wouldn't be near as much. > >but they'd be just as high, and just as much of a PITA to the rest of us. What business of yours is it how "high" someone gets, etc. as long as it is not in public ? Besides, tolerance develops so quickly to opiates that after a while they can't get high. Moreover, opiates suppress aggression. You might work next to someone on (say) opiate maintenance and never know it. > >>> You will still be an idiot on drugs. >> >> Perhaps, but that would be his problem, not everyone elses... > >most people don't want to live in a world with even more loadies. So what. I suspect the law has little or no effect in limiting the number of "loadies". Is it the very idea that bothers you or can you give us some concrete reason for interfering in peoples private behavior? And please, whatever it is, it should involve a plaintiff. Dr P
2003-06-27 18:58:56
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:19:06 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote: >> As opposed to being irrational Doc? Too funny DOC, you're he one who >> keeps holding yourself up as the high and almighty Doc with degrees >> who has never spent a day on the street as a L.E.O. > >Oh, puh-leeze! That tired old "unless you've walked a mile in my shoes" >garbage is a ridiculous ploy. Actually, he makes a good point. Experience counts. E.g., I personally feel that you have to be an MD PhD board-certified toxicologist to make any pronouncement about "drugs" have your service firearm in your hand, naturally. I have only the highest respect for people who carry automatic weapons.... Dr P
2003-06-27 22:42:18
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:48:22 -0400, an orbiting mind control laser caused
brian bennett >everything our government is >telling us about drugs and drug users is total cow plop delete these words Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV -- "Apparently on New Texas, killing a politician wasn't regarded as _malum in se_, and was _malum prohibitorum_ only to the extent that what the politician got was in excess of what he deserved." -H. Beam Piper, _Lone Star Planet/A Planet For Texans_ United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
2003-06-28 11:56:43
Frank Ney wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:48:22 -0400, an orbiting mind control laser caused > brian bennett > > >everything our government is > >telling us about drugs and drug users is total cow plop > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > delete these words lol! one cow at a time frank ;^) b -- citizen, patriot, stoner Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think. visit truth: the Anti-drugwar at http://www.briancbennett.com You can learn a lot from a teacher: http://www.teachersagainstprohibition.org/ Ask these former drug warriors: http://www.leap.cc/main.htm
2003-06-28 13:07:17
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:27:21 -0400, an orbiting mind control laser caused
brian bennett >a problem arises when the fearful mommy decides that *ther* kids shouldn't do >"risky" things like play. how are all these wimp kids being raised to be afraid >of everything ever going to defend america? They're not. We're about to become the new France. Hopefully before Ass-crust turns us into the new Germany. Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO ProvNRA LPWV -- "Apparently on New Texas, killing a politician wasn't regarded as _malum in se_, and was _malum prohibitorum_ only to the extent that what the politician got was in excess of what he deserved." -H. Beam Piper, _Lone Star Planet/A Planet For Texans_ United Airlines Must Die! http://www.dont-fly.com Abuses by the BATF http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html
2003-06-28 17:11:43
In news:egirfv01f3atd7k2eap1lmnd0pkjtgncgf@4ax.com Frank Ney
> They're not. We're about to become the new France. Hopefully before > Ass-crust turns us into the new Germany. Remember, Ashcroft can't do anything without the active assistance of the legislature and the courts, although he certainly does attack his job with great relish. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
2003-06-29 06:27:17
Greetings All,
The_right_wing@truth.com wrote in message news: > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:41:11 -0500, Peter H. Proctor > wrote: > > >On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:19:58 -0700, The_right_wing@truth.com wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:14:40 -0500, Peter H. Proctor > >>wrote: > >> > >>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:15:34 -0700, The_right_wing@truth.com wrote: > > >>>. What is the tolerable > >>>limit for children drowned in 5-gallon pickel barrels ? There are > >>>always a few dozen every year. Or drownings in bathtubs and swimming > >>>pools, roughly 1200 a year or so. All of these totally unnecessary. > >>> > >>> There is also the issue of maximum use of resources. If > >>>kiddies stepping on needles is the real issue, perhaps measures > >>>directed at this are more appropriate than blanket prohibition. A > >>>military maxim holds that "he who attempts to defend everything, > >>>defends nothing." > > >>Great analogies, doc. What's a few more kids here and there, right? > > > > A rule of thumb for handling risk ( we toxicologist's bread > >and butter) is that costs are on a log basis. The first 90% costs > >as much as the next 9%, and so forth. Pretty soon, you are spending > >a lot of resources for minimal gains. Resources that might be better > >spent elsewhere. To save the children, if you like. > > > >>Ever try to put a kid in a 5-gallon anything? > > > > Allegedly, about 20-30 or so small children a year drown in > >containers this size. Every one has a momma. The solution is > >obvious. Not to mention all those nasty bathtubs. And even more > >lives could be saved by dropping the speed limit to 5 MPH. where > >fatafities are essentially zero. After all, if it just saves one > >child..... > > > >Dr P > > > Get rid of the mamas? > No. Better supervision of infants and toddlers. > > Wait a minute! you posed the 5-gallon pickle barrel and now you are talking > of nasty bathtubs. > Because they also drown children. Yet no one suggests they be made illegal. > > Speed limits? > No one suggests they all be lowered to 5 m.p.h. > > Ever drive on an autobahn in Germany? Your ability at sophism provides the > reader a picture of what lengths you go to argue a point. Keep up the good > work. > No sophism needed, the point is very simple. Which groups of peaceful citizens do you advocate that government should arrest and jail Mr. Wing, and why? > > Your > attempts to combine analogies and research - both bibliographical and > scientific - into a public policy recommendation should be quite > interesting. Just make sure you don't use up 90% of the "air time" trying > to get your points across in a public hearing. The next 9% will shoot it > down. > Despite Dr. Proctors proclivity to make analogies I have yet to see you refute his underlying premise. Law enforcement should be directed at those who commit acts of violence against others and others property, and no one else. > > The displacement of water in that 5-gallon bucket - pickle barrel - would > end up suffocating rather than drowning the child. And mama would have to > use quite a bit of strength to hold the little tyke under. > Unfortunately it takes very little strength for a disturbed mother to kill a little tyke. William C Colley
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