Re: Can my parents and school force me to use ritalin???

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0000, Guy Who Laughs At Funny Hotel Keys
wrote:


well, all the school needs to do is alert the mental health "authorities"
and they can indeed force it, with parental approval or not, and all the
while during any parental appeal, and such is the battle going on
nowadays, the issue before congress is not whether the mental health
"authorities" can make this judgement, BUT, the procedure by which
teachers must follow, in referring students to those authorities

the mental health system, has crossed a line

there is nothing at ALL wrong with psychology and psychiatry

but, there is a paradigm and CABAL that has arisen, like an organized
religion cabal, there is an asylum (God, institution) and there is are
things to fear (DEVILS, crazy people) and these people need "herded" to
the asylum, and everyone else must respect the asylum and the holy
appointees and representatives of such, or the DEVIL will be loose

the issues here are twofold

1) you cannot "help" anyone by tutelage, a being must reach
enlightenment, and insitutionalization and negative reinforcement are only
valid models, if he has done something wrong, and needs to realize by
punishment what he has done, and if someone does something wrong, we have
prisons for this purpose, and perhaps prisons have to become hospitals

BUT, in order to "help" those who have no yet done anything, or cannot
realize what they have done, there has to be a model of realization or
enlightenment, not force, or all you are doing in imprisoning them in
insitutional lives of tutelage

2) someone has not committed a crime, or transgression, until they attempt
to do so, you cannot judge a man by his thoughts objectively, at best you
can justify need to watch him, and observe him, and maybe take away his
privacy, but not liberty, taking away his liberty before he attempts
crime, is a violation of our rights to liberty until probably cause has
been established, and using a doctor's opinion, instead of a jury trial,
is a violation of a man's right to due process of democracy

so, you see, mental health, has just become a new religion and new CABAL,
and as any religion, there must be seperation of church and state, or you
kno what happens

MINISTERS OF TRUTH, Big Brother, all the things Orwell warned of us, as
did Huxley, Zamyatin, Herbert, and L. Run Hubbard who was a literary peer
to these people, http://www.cchr.org http://www.mindfreedom.org
http://www.breggin.com

and when you look in congress and see the Church of Scientology is the
hardest supporter of your children and psychiatric rights, we must ask,
why is only the Church of Scientology defending us, why is SCI not
respected? and you have to give the Scientologists some credit for their
efforts, but we must ask why SCI is not taken seriously, and why NAMI.org is
allowed to parade as a psychiatric rights groups



--
Comrade
see my friend Average Joe's site
http://www.mysolution.ws
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776
the aristocracy is the problem today
http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

Ayn Rand just professed laissez faire, another Jewish mysticist
of Zionist status quo social order, and aspiring to such, she
never challenged "the establishment" she was a radical crony,
not a radical individual, the very anti-thesis of individualism

In news:alt.support.schizophrenia, "Comrade"
posted on Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:28:59 -0400:

> well, all the school needs to do is alert the mental health "authorities"
> and they can indeed force it, with parental approval or not, and all the
> while during any parental appeal, and such is the battle going on
> nowadays, the issue before congress is not whether the mental health
> "authorities" can make this judgement, BUT, the procedure by which
> teachers must follow, in referring students to those authorities

I don't have any kids, but if I did, the school would find themselves
short one student if they tried giving mine Ritalin. Maybe what they
need is an actual recess period. I know when I was in jr. high, the
only recess we got was whatever was left over after our 30-minute lunch
period. If we were last in the lunch line, we got no recess because we
had to gobble our food down like pelicans just to make it to our next
class on time.

> and when you look in congress and see the Church of Scientology is the
> hardest supporter of your children and psychiatric rights, we must ask,
> why is only the Church of Scientology defending us, why is SCI not
> respected? and you have to give the Scientologists some credit for their
> efforts, but we must ask why SCI is not taken seriously, and why NAMI.org is
> allowed to parade as a psychiatric rights groups

Don't scientologists believe in the power of the individual to be a God
in his or her own right? If so, that would explain their position.
Perhaps the medication tramples some inner strength we all have.

Damaeus
--
Do you listen to Jeff Rense's _Sightings_ radio show?
Discuss the show and more at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jeff_rense_talk

"Comrade" wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.12.01.28.57.386309@mysolution.ws...

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0000, Guy Who Laughs At Funny Hotel Keys
> wrote:
>
> > A public school damn sure can't force it.
>
> well, all the school needs to do is alert the mental health "authorities"
> and they can indeed force it, with parental approval or not,

They don't, even if they could in extreme circumstances. This is an
irresponsible post.

"Comrade" wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.12.01.28.57.386309@mysolution.ws...

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0000, Guy Who Laughs At Funny Hotel Keys
> wrote:
>
> > A public school damn sure can't force it.
>
> well, all the school needs to do is alert the mental health "authorities"
> and they can indeed force it, with parental approval or not, and all the
> while during any parental appeal, and such is the battle going on
> nowadays, the issue before congress is not whether the mental health
> "authorities" can make this judgement, BUT, the procedure by which
> teachers must follow, in referring students to those authorities

Cites?

Buny

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:13:05 +0000, Damaeus wrote:



not quite, once they are reported to mental health authorities, even if
you decide to school them at home, the mental hygiene police (the Jehovahs
of today) must come and address the situation

and you are not an enigma in this regard, many people have tried to fight
this

and you must remember the etymology of the word liberty, it is liber-ty,
emphasize liber, emphasize LAW, without law protecting our rights in
matters, and our liberties, we have only lip-service rights, and not true
liberties, LAW MUST CHANGE, for rights and liberties to be protected

http://www.cchr.org



--
Comrade
see my friend Average Joe's site
http://www.mysolution.ws
the aristocracy was the problem in 1776
the aristocracy is the problem today
http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

"Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
"Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
of enlightenment.
Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

Ayn Rand just professed laissez faire, another Jewish mysticist
of Zionist status quo social order, and aspiring to such, she
never challenged "the establishment" she was a radical crony,
not a radical individual, the very anti-thesis of individualism

Your parents can certainly require you to take Ritalin. And the school can
require you to stay home if you can't (...) Fill in the blank. Stay in your
seat, not boss the teacher, not punch the other students, etc.

"Damaeus" wrote in message
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> In news:alt.support.schizophrenia, "Comrade"
> posted on Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:28:59 -0400:
>
> > well, all the school needs to do is alert the mental health

"authorities"

> > and they can indeed force it, with parental approval or not, and all the
> > while during any parental appeal, and such is the battle going on
> > nowadays, the issue before congress is not whether the mental health
> > "authorities" can make this judgement, BUT, the procedure by which
> > teachers must follow, in referring students to those authorities
>
> I don't have any kids, but if I did, the school would find themselves
> short one student if they tried giving mine Ritalin. Maybe what they
> need is an actual recess period. I know when I was in jr. high, the
> only recess we got was whatever was left over after our 30-minute lunch
> period. If we were last in the lunch line, we got no recess because we
> had to gobble our food down like pelicans just to make it to our next
> class on time.
>
> > and when you look in congress and see the Church of Scientology is the
> > hardest supporter of your children and psychiatric rights, we must ask,
> > why is only the Church of Scientology defending us, why is SCI not
> > respected? and you have to give the Scientologists some credit for their
> > efforts, but we must ask why SCI is not taken seriously, and why

NAMI.org is

> > allowed to parade as a psychiatric rights groups
>
> Don't scientologists believe in the power of the individual to be a God
> in his or her own right? If so, that would explain their position.
> Perhaps the medication tramples some inner strength we all have.
>
> Damaeus
> --
> Do you listen to Jeff Rense's _Sightings_ radio show?
> Discuss the show and more at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jeff_rense_talk

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:54:50 -0400, "Comrade"
squirted this onto the bathroom floor of
sci.psychology.psychotherapy:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:13:05 +0000, Damaeus wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't have any kids, but if I did, the school would find themselves
>> short one student if they tried giving mine Ritalin.
>
>
>not quite, once they are reported to mental health authorities, even if
>you decide to school them at home, the mental hygiene police (the Jehovahs
>of today) must come and address the situation

Depends on the state. Here in Iowa, the authorities generally won't
bother with medicating a child if he/she is homeschooled. The school
systems generally don't pay attention to homeschoolers around these
parts (the state does keep track, but they are more concerned with
academics. The state leaves the mental health stuff to the parents of
the homeschooled kids, unless they ask for state aid.)


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