Re: HRT Even Worse Than Previous Found




DWOOD78828@AOL.COM (DWOOD78828) 2003-08-09 20:04:27

>Subject: Re: HRT Even Worse Than Previous Found
>From: Larry LT@noaddress.com




>I agree that George is a dolt with regard to health care issues...but
>what does his gender have to do with anything?
>
>Are you saying that "a man" isn't capable of understanding research
>surrounding HRT, or that being a woman gives one a better
>understanding of the literature?


Actually, I find it interesting that men even discuss womens health issues.
And set themselves up as the experts. Yes, men can read and understand the
research ut understanding health care from a woman's prespective is a it too
much for most.

I also find it interesting that most research,be it treatment or drug research
is aimed towars men. We women are just an after thought. And how dare we
question or make demands for scientific research based on womens problems.

Deniset


<georgeconklin@earthlink.net> 2003-08-09 22:21:03


DWood78828 wrote in message
news:20030809160427.08111.00000484@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: HRT Even Worse Than Previous Found
> >From: Larry LT@noaddress.com
>
>
>
> >I agree that George is a dolt with regard to health care issues...but
> >what does his gender have to do with anything?
> >
> >Are you saying that "a man" isn't capable of understanding research
> >surrounding HRT, or that being a woman gives one a better
> >understanding of the literature?
>
> Actually, I find it interesting that men even discuss womens health

issues.

Fortunately women have been more politically active and have gotten the
research done. Men are 20 years behind and we just have to suffer the
barbaric procedures until the proper research comes out, maybe in another
generation. Until then, the money machine runs on.





LTORREY@YAHOO.COM (LARRY) 2003-08-10 03:16:51

Ashley,

How can you possibly me an OB/GYN without a uterus? Without that, you
can't "understand" or have sympathy. Intelligence, education, and
research simply isn't good enough.

According to Denise's "logic" one must have cancer to be an
oncologist. Similarly, you must sustain a gunshot to the leg to be a
trauma surgeon, have renal failure to be a nephrologist,
and...apparently...be under 18 to be a pediatrician. I haven't
figured out neonatology yet, but I'll get back to you when I do.

Larry


"dahmd" wrote in message news:<6igZa.26653$K4.1418484@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> "DWood78828" wrote in message
> >
> > Actually, I find it interesting that men even discuss womens health
> issues.
> > And set themselves up as the experts. Yes, men can read and understand
> the
> > research ut understanding health care from a woman's prespective is a it
> too
> > much for most.
>
> Interesting. Most of the major improvements in women's health care have
> occurred because of male researchers. Off the top of my head, I can think
> of a dozen huge advances in women's health that have saved millions of lives
> over the years, all because male researchers were concerned about women's
> health. The inventor of the Pap smear was a man, whose work has saved
> several million lives. Most of the research on preeclampsia and eclampsia
> was conducted by male researchers. And, the majority of surgical advances
> were developed by men. Now that there are more women in the medical field,
> we have seen innovative and helpful research directed by female researchers.
> The point is that both men and women conduct research; gender is irrelevant.
> I *am* an expert on women's health, and I'm a man. The fact that I don't
> have a uterus does not make me less able to comprehend medical research,
> remove a tumor, perform a gentle and comprehensive gynecologic exam, or
> counsel a patient about the risks, benefits and alternatives of various
> treatment options. In fact, I would submit that it makes me better able to
> provide objective information. I can't tell you how many times I have heard
> my female colleagues say "if I were her I wouldn't do that" or "I had my
> baby without an epidural, why can't she?" or "what's the big deal about a
> yeast infection?" Thankfully I am not encumbered by gender bias.
>
> Using your logic, men should not attempt to improve women's lives. Tough
> luck for countless women if a man has an idea that improves women's health
> care. Similarly, using your logic, I should not participate in promoting
> racial harmony. That's *their* problem if they're a minority. After all,
> why should a non-minority even talk about minority rights? In fact, why
> should a wealthy person even talk about those less fortunate, or someone
> with a home discuss the homeless, or an able-bodied person interact with
> someone born with a congenital anomaly? You're a rape survivor? Why should
> I care? It's unlikely I'm going to be raped. I don't have to vote for
> legislators that promise to punish rapists or make the streets safer.
> Figure it out on your own. Your "logic" is extraordinarly narrow-minded.
> Thankfully there are many thousands of physicians and researchers who want
> to help others without regard to ethnicity, gender or religious preference.
>
> Ashley
> D. Ashley Hill, MD



<georgeconklin@earthlink.net> 2003-08-10 11:59:27


dahmd wrote in message
news:6igZa.26653$K4.1418484@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> "DWood78828" wrote in message
> news:20030809160427.08111.00000484@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: HRT Even Worse Than Previous Found
> > >From: Larry LT@noaddress.com
> >
> >
> >
> > >I agree that George is a dolt with regard to health care issues...but
> > >what does his gender have to do with anything?
> > >
> > >Are you saying that "a man" isn't capable of understanding research
> > >surrounding HRT, or that being a woman gives one a better
> > >understanding of the literature?
> >
> > Actually, I find it interesting that men even discuss womens health
> issues.
> > And set themselves up as the experts. Yes, men can read and understand
> the
> > research ut understanding health care from a woman's prespective is a it
> too
> > much for most.
>
> Interesting. Most of the major improvements in women's health care have
> occurred because of male researchers. Off the top of my head, I can think
> of a dozen huge advances in women's health that have saved millions of

lives
> over the years, all because male researchers were concerned about women's
> health. The inventor of the Pap smear was a man, whose work has saved
> several million lives. Most of the research on preeclampsia and eclampsia
> was conducted by male researchers. And, the majority of surgical advances
> were developed by men. Now that there are more women in the medical

field,
> we have seen innovative and helpful research directed by female

researchers.
> The point is that both men and women conduct research; gender is

irrelevant.
> I *am* an expert on women's health, and I'm a man. The fact that I don't
> have a uterus does not make me less able to comprehend medical research,
> remove a tumor, perform a gentle and comprehensive gynecologic exam, or
> counsel a patient about the risks, benefits and alternatives of various
> treatment options. In fact, I would submit that it makes me better able

to
> provide objective information. I can't tell you how many times I have

heard
> my female colleagues say "if I were her I wouldn't do that" or "I had my
> baby without an epidural, why can't she?" or "what's the big deal about a
> yeast infection?" Thankfully I am not encumbered by gender bias.
>
> Using your logic, men should not attempt to improve women's lives. Tough
> luck for countless women if a man has an idea that improves women's health
> care. Similarly, using your logic, I should not participate in promoting
> racial harmony. That's *their* problem if they're a minority. After all,
> why should a non-minority even talk about minority rights? In fact, why
> should a wealthy person even talk about those less fortunate, or someone
> with a home discuss the homeless, or an able-bodied person interact with
> someone born with a congenital anomaly? You're a rape survivor? Why

should
> I care? It's unlikely I'm going to be raped. I don't have to vote for
> legislators that promise to punish rapists or make the streets safer.
> Figure it out on your own. Your "logic" is extraordinarly narrow-minded.
> Thankfully there are many thousands of physicians and researchers who want
> to help others without regard to ethnicity, gender or religious

preference.
>
> Ashley
> D. Ashley Hill, MD
>
>


One hopes that women will be interested in prostate cancer research
because it does affect women too. Men don't really seem to want to deal
with new approaches.




KARL 2003-08-11 09:37:03


"DWood78828" wrote in message
news:20030809160427.08111.00000484@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: HRT Even Worse Than Previous Found
> >From: Larry LT@noaddress.com
>
>
>
> >I agree that George is a dolt with regard to health care issues...but
> >what does his gender have to do with anything?
> >
> >Are you saying that "a man" isn't capable of understanding research
> >surrounding HRT, or that being a woman gives one a better
> >understanding of the literature?
>
> Actually, I find it interesting that men even discuss womens health

issues.
> And set themselves up as the experts. Yes, men can read and understand

the
> research ut understanding health care from a woman's prespective is a it

too
> much for most.


A little arrogant? We men do have family members that we are concerned
about. No
we are not experts nor do many of us proclaim to be so. I watch the news
and listen and ask
questions. Who among us has family members who clam up when it comes to a
health issue or is overly worried about a particular issue hyped for the
moment in the media. Don't you listen more closely if you hear something
useful for you son, husband, or male-relatives? I wouldn't find that
'interesting' I would find it nice you were concerned.
>
> I also find it interesting that most research,be it treatment or drug

research
> is aimed towars men. We women are just an after thought. And how dare we
> question or make demands for scientific research based on womens problems.
>
> Deniset













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